求助：Hy8.0如何導出HSPICE MODEL

sulala

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- ^0 i7 V: i0 Z; l3 O- y/ B6 S. W6 P* F如題，小弟是Hy8.0的初學者，目前正學習如何使用hyperlynx仿真傳輸線模型，如附圖所示：

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2 ~3 \8 H0 q4 [" V; M想請教高手們可否教教在下如何將我的模型導出成W-elemnet的netlist呢?
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如果有詳解教學更是感激不盡阿

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sulala

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已解決，不過只有一半，導出的W-element是lossless，為何在下的export spice netlist沒有其他選項?
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honejing

為何要導出 SPICE net list 呢？ HL8 不是可以調用 SPICE，直接跑就有結果了。

sulala

. P9 _7 h( E% ~  i7 v. L% s& E0 e回樓上大大，因為在下主要使用的模擬軟體還是HSPICE，所以目前正在找尋生成W-element的方法。
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小弟初學還不太熟悉軟體，不過定義了節點名稱以後就可以導出Netlist，但是如何生成有Loss的W-element還有請高手指教
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附上Hyperlynx的說明書

& _0 n* w. U$ u6 A  hTwo Types of Netlist Output - Uncoupled and Coupled
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, d+ H5 u" _. W& l! Y; u; i' R0 gThe files generated by the HyperLynx SPICE writer come in two "flavors", depending on whether or not crosstalk is enabled in BoardSim/LineSim when you generate the netlist:

5 E% a! I8 R- \8 f0 @1 Q9 s7 w    Uncoupled, in which no coupling is modeled, and all transmission lines are modeled with the standard SPICE lossless "T" element
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" p# `+ x9 b& Y+ [    Coupled, in which coupling is included and all coupled transmission lines are modeled with the HSPICE coupled, lossy "W" element

$ |5 x8 p& X* y3 pSpecifically, the choice between uncoupled and coupled output is made automatically by the SPICE Writer, as follows:
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    If you are running BoardSim, and you have crosstalk enabled, coupled output is generated; if crosstalk is disabled, uncoupled output is generated

  |# S; e/ c& W3 T2 O1 o    If you are running LineSim, and you have coupling anywhere in your schematic, coupled output is generated; if there is no coupling in your schematic, uncoupled output is generated

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honejing

1. ) 在建 LineSim sechematic 時，要點選 [ Enable Lossy Simulation] icon，就可以生成 W-Element。
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$ `$ W- c) h6 t8 c* f****  Transmission line models ***********************
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* RLGC model created by HyperLynx SPICE generator
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* Lo  (H/m)
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+ 4.86549e-007  
+ 1.22574e-007  4.86549e-007  
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. h- j( e, D" h. l3 ^* Co  (F/m)
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+ 7.31628e-011  
+ -1.29843e-011  7.31628e-011  

* Ro (Ohm/m)
+ Ro =
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+ 0  6.59804  
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* Go (S/m)
+ Go =
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+ 0  0  

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+ Rs =
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+ 8.16043e-005  0.0014215  
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2 A7 v9 K6 b; F! }* \6 r+ L* Gd (S/m-Hz)
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  K- L! J) }, x2.) 只要你在 LineSim 有設定 Couple pair, 那導出來的應該就是 Couple output netlist.
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/ x2 x( Q/ n% E* a. x3 ^* Output from HyperLynx SPICE Writer
1 d+ C$ E, R4 c: T1 L/ N* Created by K on Date: Sunday Sep. 4,2011   Time: 19:59:31
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4 T7 V0 o8 y, m3. ) 可以直接設定你的 HSPICE 的執行檔連結，在Interactive simulation 時選HSPICE，就可以直接調用
       HSPICE 來解題，不需要再管 Netlist 怎麼寫。

sulala

感謝這位大俠相助，小弟成功提取SPICE netlist了!!
有您熱心助人真是我們的福音阿

davidwangwf

sulala 发表于 2011-9-5 01:21
感謝這位大俠相助，小弟成功提取SPICE netlist了!!
有您熱心助人真是我們的福音阿

/ }6 b* F7 s1 E+ L6 }/ w各位神啊····怎样添加节点？？

l888888h

sulala 发表于 2011-9-5 01:21
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有您熱心助人真是我們的福音阿

1 D5 e, p5 X( g5 p, q7 |1 h你那个导出来的SPICE  netlist在hspice中可以仿真吗、？？可否给我教程下！

yenchi

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